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universel et compétition ?

Last post 01-13-2008, 9:57 PM by Bob Klein. 3 replies.
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  •  01-10-2008, 8:55 AM 115

    universel et compétition ?

    hi manager Klein, I'm french I can't participed  with americain tai chi form made in china,

    I'm a woman I can't play with man

    la compéttion c'est la séparation, l'oppostion, la rivalité... le tai chi chuan tend vers l'unité

    c'est un art martial interne.

    Croyez vous que les commentateurs sportifs feront la différence, que les spectateurs verront l'interne ?

    Et les nouveaux pratiquants du tai chi chuan viendront pour être beaux à la télé, pour les médailles, pour être meilleurs que les autres...

    allez leur dire maintenant qu'ils se trompent de discipline, que ce n'est pas une compétition.

    Je vous trouve bien optimiste, ou  est-ce l'amitié, ou l'orgueil, ou le patriotisme qui vous fait approuver la décision

    chinoise ?

    en fait peut-être suis-je mauvaise joueuse, future perdante : je suis française...

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  •  01-10-2008, 6:44 PM 116 in reply to 115

    Re: universel et compétition ?

    Can you explain why you can't compete with men?  Is it the fighting you can't compete in? I would imagine that forms and Push Hands competitions would be co-ed.  Please reply in English if possible.

    Bob

  •  01-11-2008, 1:10 PM 117 in reply to 116

    Re: universel et compétition ?

    hello , sorry for my english

    the Olympic competition divides the countries, the men and the women in every discipline. it is this principle of division that displeases to me.

    the tai chi chuan it is the research of the unit in itself, with the other man or woman (and for the fighting is not a problem for me) and with the environment, it’s  an achievement. For me , it is desservice  leaves the competition. If I read your teaching well fights it to the tai chi chuan is a sharing, a complicity, doesn't have winner or loser. This fight is to make we better, not superior. The tai chi chuan has very different values to those of the Olympic games These games have been reinstituted by a man partisant of the colonianisme in order to ridicule the other peoples (nations). There is not a generosity in the mind of competition. And then, sport in competition, it is for the strongest so that they make the pride of every nation, with an age limit with to the capacities of the body or a carving in age group…

    Lama Jigme what's the competition for you ? and what do you think that china wants to make while exposing the tai chi chuan in that fashion?

     

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  •  01-13-2008, 9:57 PM 118 in reply to 117

    Re: universel et compétition ?

    Dear Lilac,

    I agree that Tai-chi-Chuan develops each of us as an individual and part of that development is to recognize the connection among all of us.  Competition for a prize is not quite the same as practicing Tai-chi-Chuan for your own development.  As an example, Push Hands practiced in a good Tai-chi school is very different from that in a Push Hands competition.  Forms practiced in a good school emphasize minimal movement and subtlety of expression while in a competition you try to maximize external expressiveness.

    On the other hand, if you watch young animals, they often fight with each other.  While you could say they are preparing for adulthood when the males will be fighting for the females, watching such animals shows them having a good time.  They are gleeful and eager to express their energy.  These are the two faces of any practice.  One face is your development as a human being and the other is the outward face - the play which all can enjoy, even people not involved in the art, who do not appreciate the inner subtleties.  The outer face of an art attracts new people who then, hopefully can realize there in a deeper inner face.  Such practices, which can bring people into deeper and deeper understanding of new worlds of experience are called "Hermetic". 

    I also used to resent the outer face of Tai-chi-Chuan, feeling that people involved in competitions were somehow shallow or missing the point.  Many people do remain in the shallows and think of Tai-chi as competing to have the prettiest form or strike the hardest blows. But hopefully there are enough genuine teachers to guide interested people into the deeper teachings. 

    The fact is that in modern times, people are attracted to the brightest, the loudest, the strongest.  Their attention and chi are very weak and are easily trapped by extremes.  They are easy victims of marketing forces.  The competitions are merely the doorway for many people to enter and discover the inner training. 

    It is easy for the balance of inner and outer to swing so that Tai-chi-Chuan becomes just a question of memorizing movements or punching the beegeebees out of someone.  It the job of the teachers to maintain the proper balance so that competitions are joyful and that it is explained that you are just seeing the outer aspect of Tai-chi - that there is much more to it.

    Will we see that balance in the Olympics?  That will depend on the teachers who are running the Tai-chi competitions.  We will see.

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